On Brian Eno and Behavior Modification
By Mike Faloon
It took a while but I finally saw the Marked Men in the
spring of 2011. That winter felt really long. When I heard
about the Marked Men playing in Chicago, along with the Arrivals and Toys That
Kill, I treated myself to a plane ticket (and a ticket to the show — not much
point in flying to the Windy City just to stand outside the club).
To my way of thinking this wasn’t just a show, it was a
cultural event—the Marked Men, the Arrivals, and Toys That Kill on the same stage in the same night! It merited
significant documentation. I
couldn’t muster much in the “significant documentation” department. I did, however, think that interviewing
the three bands would be a lot of fun.
It was. At the time I was convinced that having interviews with bands of this caliber would spur me into publishing the next print issue of Go Metric. A year and
a half later said issue is still draped in cob webs.
The interviews went really well, though, and I hated the
thought of them remaining on my mp3 player, especially the following interview
with Mark Ryan, singer/guitarist for the Marked Men and the Mind Spiders.
The interview went well despite two factors: one, it was incredibly late by the time we talked--it was after the show yet Mark was
incredibly patience and gracious, never hinting that he wanted to split. Two, I kept thinking, Holy crow, it's the guy from the Marked Men and Mind Spiders!
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Go Metric: Thanks for bearing with me. I’m a novice with this technology
(recording on with my mp3 player).
I’m like a cave man—I don’t understand fire but I appreciate it. And thanks for taking a couple of
minutes to talk.
Mark Ryan: Yeah, man, no problem.
GM: I’ve have waited so long to see the Marked Men. I’ve been listening to those records for
years. We actually met once in Tucson. (Sounds like a Johnny Cash line.) You
were playing with the Riverboat Gamblers.
You guys played with the Knockout Pills at that old hotel.
MR: The Knockout Pills were a great band.
GM: I was touring with Todd Taylor at the time.
MR: Oh yeah, I remember it now.
GM: Todd had said, Not only are we going to do a reading in Tucson, but
we’re going to a show: Knockout Pills and the Riverboat Gamblers, you’ll
like these guys. You came up to
him and you were like, Hey, Todd, here’s the new Marked Men record (On the Outside, Dirtnap Records, 2004 — being there for this
handoff is, to me, akin to Joey Ramone giving a copy of Leave Home to Lester Bangs.
Wish I’d framed it that way at the time).
MR: Yeah.
(Politely, patiently nods along, waiting for me to arrive at
something — anything — approaching a point.
Despite the late hour I’m fully wound up and giddily talkative. It’s Mark Ryan for Bloch’s sake!)
GM: A few months later I was listening to that record all
the time. Then Fix My Brain (Swami, 2006) came out. So after all these years I finally get to see the Marked
Men. Obviously I was enamored with
the show tonight. How would you
rank tonight as a Marked Men show?
MR: Pretty good.
It’s always amazing to have a shit ton of people screaming, yelling your
lyrics.
GM: And punching out all those accents on the drums.
MR: There’s nothing else quite like that. Chicago’s always been a fun town for us
to play. We’ve always enjoyed it. Even with our old band, the Reds, we
came up here a lot. It’s been a
long time building that.
GM: There hasn’t been a lot of Marked Men activity the past
couple years. What led to this
show? Is this part of a tour?
MR: We’re playing Chaos in Tejas. We played last year and that was really fun. Then right after that we played a
couple shows in Sweden, which was really great. We decided to do it again this year (Chaos in Tejas) but we
wanted to come back here and Minneapolis because those are some of our favorite
places to go. It’s real hard
because Jeff (Burke, guitar) lives in Japan and him being able to get off work
is really difficult, trying to avoid earthquakes.
GM: Oh man, I’d
forgotten he was living there.
Wow. In the meantime you’ve
started doing the Mind Spiders. I
just got the full-length (Mind Spiders,
Dirtnap, 2011), so I haven’t totally absorbed that but I’ve listened to the
first EP (World’s Destroyed, Dirtnap,
2010) so many times. With my
favorite bands and records I enjoy trying to figure out why I like them so
much. Yet I haven’t been able to
pinpoint it with either the Marked Men or the Mind Spiders.
MR: (Laughs)
GM: I’d like to run this by you: when I watch you play it
seems really taxing physically and very intricate, very involved. When I listen to the records it’s like an outfielder snagging a fly ball, equally impressive but seemingly easy and nonchalant. Is this really simple stuff or really
complex stuff or assembling simple pieces in a complex way?
MR: I don’t know how to answer that.
GM: I know, I gave you a five-part answer to the
question. As a teacher I should
know better.
MR: No, no. I
guess we’ve always been into the rhythm of the way that we play guitar. I’ve been playing with Mike
(Throneberry), the drummer, since I was 19 and I’m 36 now. He’s an exceptionally talented drummer and
it’s worked on my rhythm, and over time we’ve developed the way that we work
together and it’s kept gelling.
It’s hard to explain. It’s
the way you do the downstrokes on the guitar and pound it out. I guess coming from Denton (Texas) for
years we didn’t have much of a following.
GM: The Reds or the Marked Men? Both?
MR: Initially, the Marked Men. We had good shows but it wasn’t anything great. It was just a matter of continuing to
pound it out and make it better and better to get people to respond.
GM: Do you play drums?
MR: No, but whenever Jeff or I write songs we know what we
want from the drums. We plan it
out meticulously.
GM: You don’t make it easy on him (Mike) as a drummer. He could keep those same tempos with
quarter notes, it would be a lot easier. But it’s always eighth notes, always twice the work, twice the
intensity.
MR: You’re right.
We always used to joke around that if Mike wasn’t in pain or exhausted after
the show then we weren’t successful.
GM: Drummer abuse, basically.
MR: But the thing is there’s something about Mike and his
style. If you listen to bands from
Denton they’re influenced by Mike.
The drummers that are there now when they were younger they loved
watching him. That’s part of the
sound.
GM: He doesn’t do a lot of fills.
MR: He used to.
We had to calm him down. It
was too ADHD. Had to tell him to
quit that shit. We used to let him
go at it however he wanted to but we decided not to do that. (Speaking to other dude who has just come
downstairs) You want in on this?
Unidentified dude: Just an old friend passing through. Just an old friend passing through.
MR: I’m still recovering from that feedback. Just about knocked me out.
GM: That’s ironic.
Bands are usually saying that they can’t hear enough of themselves on
stage. Going back to the Mind
Spiders EP. I love how wide the
sound is, how expansive, like a really wide, desert landscape.
MR: On the record I double a lot of the drums, it’s two drum
kits. I like that Phil Spector big
sound.
GM: Playing the same beat?
MR: Yeah, but I think it sounds cool. I write really stupidly simple songs
and I try to make them sound good.
I got really into that first Brian Eno record, Here Come the Warm Jets.
The drums are doubled.
That’s one of my favorite recordings. I’m kind of obsessed with that record. That’s what kind of spurred some of
that one (Worlds Destroyed).
GM: I love that record — it’s the only Eno record I know — but I
never would have connected those records. Eno's vocals are very prominent, very sweet.
MR: I tried to sing and carry melodies and things like that.
GM: Like I said, I’ve just started digging into the
full-length (Mind Spiders), but it
sounds really different. Is that
just because I don’t know it well yet or…
MR: The Mind Spiders is just a recording project I
started. It’s not really a
band. It’s something I started
when Jeff was leaving. I had all
these other songs and I was doing things on my own. It’s just my way of seeing if I can try to pull something
off—let me see if I can do this kind of song.
GM: It’s pretty great.
Your role sounds almost like a conductor.
MR: Yeah, well, it’s more of a band now. I’ve started a band and I’ve started
recording another record. It should
be coming out at the end of this year (2011). I know it’s funny for someone from Chicago, but in Fort
Worth, where I live, it snowed a lot in February and everything shut down for a
week. I didn’t go anywhere. I just hung out at the house and worked
on another record—a lot of it was done then.
GM: Actually, I'm just visiting Chicago. I’m from New York, but I know what you mean. This winter has been
miserable. That’s one of the
reasons I made this trip.
MR: For us it was crazy. If we get just a little bit of snow nobody goes to work,
schools shut down, so it gave me some vacation time.
GM: What do you do for work?
MR: I work with people with mental retardation and write
behavior modification plans.
GM: I teach fifth grade, general education teacher. I don’t write plans like those, but I
try to implement them for some of my kids.
MR: I work for a psychologist. I got my master’s degree and I work under his supervision
and go to a lot of different places around the Dallas/Fort Worth/Denton
area.
GM: I know different schools are on different places on the
continuum…
MR: Oh, I don’t work with people in schools—group home or big
facilities. That’s been my main
work for years.
GM: That’s not easy work.
MR: I know you can relate.
GM: I was talking to someone about that earlier—it’s a tough
time to be in education.
MR: It’s gotten worse in Texas, a lot of the budget
cuts. It’s been intense. A lot of similar services have been
cut, so I have to do just as much as I did before but with less time.
GM: Do you ever watch The
Wire, the season where they focus on the local newspaper? “We’re going to do more with less.”
MR: I always think about that line whenever I think about
this.
(Why didn’t I linger on this point longer? I drove right past a potentially
fascinating moment in the conversation — one of my favorite musicians and my
favorite dramatic TV show? Geez!)
GM: In our district it seems like the first place they cut
is where people are the most vulnerable.
MR: I completely agree. It sucks, but it’s cool whenever you can make a good
decision here and there. You can
do some good things. I like
it. It is wearing me out.
GM: How long have you been doing it?
MR: I started out as a direct care person in the
facilities. Actually, Jeff and
Mike did the same sort of work for years — you could do PRN work on call, as
needed.
GM: PRN?
MR: It just means “as needed.” It’s a nursing term.
We could work for a while, a bunch of shifts, and then take off and go
on tour. I started doing that and
then I met the psychologist I work for and I went on from there.
GM: Does your work ever find it’s way into your music?
MR: The song “Doctor Dan” (from On the Outside) that’s my boss. Good name. He’s
a really good guy.
GM: That’s not how I think of the typical song about a boss.
MR: I just used his name, everyone calls him Dr. Dan. It’s not about him. It’s about someone being crazy and not
wanting to go into the psych hospital.
GM: Any chance the Marked Men will tour again?
MR: No, I don’t think so. We all have projects that are going on. Jeff, since he’s been in Japan he’s recorded
20-30 songs but they’re all demo versions. He’s had a hard time getting them recorded properly. It’s hard to do over there. Also, the recent earthquake destroyed
some of his recording equipment.
He’s got a new band.
They’ve been playing over there.
And Joe’s been doing a new band and I’ve been doing the Mind Spiders.
GM: It’s weird when a favorite band breaks up. In the next band I want to hear echoes
of that prior band but I’m also hoping for something new and different.
MR: I want it to be different.
GM: Are the Mind Spiders a band you’d tour with?
MR: I don’t think so.
Everybody in the band is in other bands, so it’s more about the
recording. We’ve got to do some
cool stuff. We went up to the Atlanta
Mess Around back in April. We got
to play with the Testors. That was
pretty amazing. It was original
line up. They’re getting up to close
to 60 now. This was crazy because
it was the original band and they were spot on, everybody. The guitarist had white hair and looked
like an old school teacher and they were talking shit to the crowd. It was great.